tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21959228.post7507034381079316813..comments2024-03-28T09:14:52.110+00:00Comments on Sinclair's Musings: The Archbishop of Canterbury's call for ShariaMatthew Sinclairhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05948452770723874618noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21959228.post-2340112551890659082008-02-12T16:24:00.000+00:002008-02-12T16:24:00.000+00:00"Who would you prefer?"Oh, Williams of course, bec..."Who would you prefer?"<BR/><BR/>Oh, Williams of course, because through his stupidity and arrogance he is rather helping stiffen the backbones of the secularists.<BR/><BR/>Keep it up, Rowan!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21959228.post-28416584759192384542008-02-10T23:35:00.000+00:002008-02-10T23:35:00.000+00:00Dave, that's just wrong. Look at the quotes I've ...Dave, that's just wrong. Look at the quotes I've given, clearly people are choosing:<BR/><BR/>"It’s very important that you mention there the word ‘choice’; I think it would be quite wrong to say that we could ever licence so to speak a system of law for some community which gave people no right of appeal, no way of exercising the rights that are guaranteed to them as citizens in general, so that a woman in such circumstances would have to know that she was not signing away for good and all;"Matthew Sinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05948452770723874618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21959228.post-76856569172694373022008-02-10T20:33:00.000+00:002008-02-10T20:33:00.000+00:00"Williams has people choosing whether to call upon..."Williams has people choosing whether to call upon their Sharia or British rights."<BR/><BR/>No, that's not it at all. It is about allowing people to choose to exercise the British rights or, indeed, to conform to the provisions of the British legal system and impositive state within the provisions of Sharia so as not to give the impression that they are totally irreconcilable. An example is the allowance made for stamp duty, so that it is only paid once in a double-transfer arrangement for sharia-compliant house purchases without interest being accrued. That can hardly be said to impinge on the rights of people that choose not to avail themselves of Islamic mortgages any more than you can say that people have been forced into them.<BR/><BR/>Under your first point, you quote Williams as saying that he wants to discuss the issue, or for there to be some sort of national debate. Telling him to fuck off and calling him an idiot is hardly helpful to the debate and moves you into Daily Mail territory.<BR/><BR/>"He is not fit to be Archbishop of Canterbury."<BR/><BR/>Who would you prefer?<BR/><BR/>xD.Dave Colehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14607982331690895063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21959228.post-34798959895012717722008-02-08T17:58:00.000+00:002008-02-08T17:58:00.000+00:00>Btw, Matt, where do you stand on faith schools an...>Btw, Matt, where do you stand on faith schools and do you think there is a comparison to be made?<BR/><BR/>Not sure whether you mean him Matt or me Matt.<BR/><BR/>I'm assuming you mean him Matt, so I'm leaving the lid on that one today - beyond the note that I think both sides have a distinct tendency to rely on ideology not evidence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21959228.post-38054288672780308232008-02-08T17:35:00.000+00:002008-02-08T17:35:00.000+00:00that's one of the elephants in the room. however, ...that's one of the elephants in the room. however, the Arsebishop's impossibly liberal spectacles do not allow him to see such things.Jules Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316327361072587324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21959228.post-17862917724207531072008-02-08T16:41:00.000+00:002008-02-08T16:41:00.000+00:00Did the Archbishop happen to mention how he felt a...Did the Archbishop happen to mention how he felt about the whole stoning to death for adultery and homosexuality thing?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21959228.post-48668768453810066092008-02-08T16:14:00.000+00:002008-02-08T16:14:00.000+00:00well i just think he's a bearded cock in a dress.well i just think he's a bearded cock in a dress.Jules Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07316327361072587324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21959228.post-34886923630702064802008-02-08T09:55:00.000+00:002008-02-08T09:55:00.000+00:00Dave,Interesting point. My view would be that inc...Dave,<BR/><BR/>Interesting point. My view would be that incorporating Sharia into English Law is one of those nightmares that should make us cautious about faith schools and anything else that could encourage division. As such, this is far more troubling.<BR/><BR/>I think Faith schools are a concession that you wouldn't want to make a priori but, now they exist, it would cause too much friction to curtail.Matthew Sinclairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05948452770723874618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21959228.post-74779271253979635892008-02-08T09:37:00.000+00:002008-02-08T09:37:00.000+00:00Btw, Matt, where do you stand on faith schools and...Btw, Matt, where do you stand on faith schools and do you think there is a comparison to be made?Dave Colehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14607982331690895063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21959228.post-80438520386698068522008-02-08T09:36:00.000+00:002008-02-08T09:36:00.000+00:00With the Beth Din, the Jewish courts, authority on...With the Beth Din, the Jewish courts, authority only exists in civil matters and when both parties consent. It is a glorified form of arbitration which is already provided for in English & Welsh law - viz. ACAS. The Beth Din also issue edicts on religious law that simply doesn't matter for the law of the land - what does and doesn't count as kosher and so on.Dave Colehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14607982331690895063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21959228.post-62030172520689362652008-02-08T05:13:00.000+00:002008-02-08T05:13:00.000+00:00Thanks for the link vbg.I'll be coming back with s...Thanks for the link vbg.<BR/><BR/>I'll be coming back with some thoughts on the content when I have <BR/><BR/>a)Provided a subheaded version of the lecture (6253 words).<BR/>b)read, marked, learnt and inwardly digested the it.<BR/><BR/>I suspect that I may end up thinking that Islamic religious courts could be OK under conditions of<BR/><BR/>a) mutual consent<BR/>b) strict submission to the law of the land.<BR/><BR/>The question would be whether that is possible.<BR/><BR/>Cranmer has some interesting points on existing recognition of Sharia (e.g., mortgages and benefits for more than one wife).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21959228.post-77718624560172158002008-02-08T01:34:00.000+00:002008-02-08T01:34:00.000+00:00Williams' idea is a hideous one and expressed in t...<I>Williams' idea is a hideous one and expressed in terms that are insulting to those who believe in the highest Western principles. He is abusing his position in the British establishment to normalise an agenda deeply hostile to our most important values. He is not fit to be Archbishop of Canterbury.</I><BR/><BR/>Definitely. Relativism at its worst.Ruthiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15800371586600838226noreply@blogger.com